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Women always claim to want to be treated the same as men. But what about during the Titanic sinking? During the sinking of Titanic men had the right to die like a "man" on the ship. While women got to get on rescue boats and make it to safety. So women if you were on Titanic would you still want to be treated the same as men?
Due to the poor leadership of the men in charge of the ship who commanded the dangerously fast speed of the ship that night for "glory" despite iceberg warnings, due to the decision made by men before sailing not to have adequate numbers of lifeboats, and due to the poor decisions and procedures of men in charge of the evacuation, hundreds of people died that night.
Men in charge (no women were in charge) forcibily seperated fathers and men from their families, adding to the panic, according to governmental review of the disaster. Some women chose to remain behind with their husbands. MANY men survived in the lifeboats and many women and children died on the ship, being denied escape in lifeboats. The BIG revelation that emerged from the Titanic disaster was not the gender discrimination against men, but the "class discrimination, which significantly damned the world’s wealthy and the class system at the time. First class survived better than second class which survived far better than steerage.
Approximately only one fourth survived. But, three fourths of all people on that ship could have survived with the existing number of lifeboats if the men in charge had not conducted the evacuation so poorly. Also, the men AND women on that ship should have gotten every single one of the children off first no matter what "class" they were. Classism, panic and criminally incompetent leadership from the men in charge led those people to their doom.
#1 by btchy_btcha on November 3rd, 2009
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sure, why not? just because I don’t have a penis doesn’t mean I can’t die like a "man" or that I wouldn’t want to die like one…
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#2 by Christina9999 on November 3rd, 2009
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well i do belive in equality but i’m not crazy. if someone offered me a life boat on a sinking ship i’d take it. i’m sure you would too.
as far as that old policy though, no i think it’s rather old fashioned. nowadays it’s everyone for themselves, though i think pregnant women should be given priority.
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#3 by S P on November 3rd, 2009
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In retrospect to the movie, what’s more romantic than drowning together? Well, freezing to death, technically, I imagine most froze before suffocation.
Equality is always a thing of convenience. Only comfortable social conditions allow for equality. When it’s an emergency, all bets are off.
I always bring my own inflatable raft when going on a boat anyway.
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#4 by RoVale on November 3rd, 2009
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Why is Agent 99 getting so many thumbs down? It’s common knowledge that most of the people who drowned that night were in the steerage class and were barred from getting to the upper levels where they could have had a better chance of escaping. Nearly all the passengers in first class survived but very few in third class did. At least one of the visits to the wreckage after the ship was found in 1985 proved it. A remote control camera showed there were iron gates across the exits and people couldn’t get out. Not only that but many of those victims were also hampered by their limited English speaking skills and probably didn’t understand what was happening until it was too late.
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#5 by Maria on November 3rd, 2009
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I would. I certainly wouldn’t want to leave my husband, boyfriend, or father on the boat to die. Several women did insist on staying with their husbands, and they both died. I think it would actually be harder to leave your loved one behind.
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#6 by Laela(Layla) on November 3rd, 2009
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Sure I’d take a lifeboat were it offered; then again I don’t believe in equality.
Agent 99: pay attention to the question and stop your damn yapping; no one asked for a lecture.
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#7 by kessie on November 3rd, 2009
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I have to believe a lot of the men wished they had the same rights as the women… ~
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#8 by Jenny Kim on November 3rd, 2009
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As far as who got a seat on the Titanic lifeboats and who didn’t, I thought it was more of an issue of CLASS than gender.
I read that the first and second class passengers fared pretty well on the whole, while most of the third classers (men and women, not to mention children) didn’t make it.
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#9 by Christiney* on November 3rd, 2009
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Dude, not gonna lie… If they said "Women and children first." You couldn’t get me on one of those boats fast enough.
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#10 by Lostfan on November 3rd, 2009
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Actually it was like Agent 99 said, very few people got on the lifeboats, and all were extremely wealthy that got rescued.
The fact that more women got on the lifeboats was probably coincidence, because it depended more on your social class than your gender.
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#11 by J.B. Holiday on November 3rd, 2009
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This is one deep question. I commend you for having the brains to come up with it and the cajones to ask it.
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#12 by Blue B on November 3rd, 2009
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Put it this way – how would your conscious be if you went before a mother and her child?
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#13 by patois on November 3rd, 2009
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Due to the poor leadership of the men in charge of the ship who commanded the dangerously fast speed of the ship that night for "glory" despite iceberg warnings, due to the decision made by men before sailing not to have adequate numbers of lifeboats, and due to the poor decisions and procedures of men in charge of the evacuation, hundreds of people died that night.
Men in charge (no women were in charge) forcibily seperated fathers and men from their families, adding to the panic, according to governmental review of the disaster. Some women chose to remain behind with their husbands. MANY men survived in the lifeboats and many women and children died on the ship, being denied escape in lifeboats. The BIG revelation that emerged from the Titanic disaster was not the gender discrimination against men, but the "class discrimination, which significantly damned the world’s wealthy and the class system at the time. First class survived better than second class which survived far better than steerage.
Approximately only one fourth survived. But, three fourths of all people on that ship could have survived with the existing number of lifeboats if the men in charge had not conducted the evacuation so poorly. Also, the men AND women on that ship should have gotten every single one of the children off first no matter what "class" they were. Classism, panic and criminally incompetent leadership from the men in charge led those people to their doom.
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http://www.ithaca.edu/staff/jhenderson/titanic.html
#14 by Rebel Man on November 3rd, 2009
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Final saved stats: 74% women, 52% children, 20% men
I don’t know where everybody "learned" about this, but it was a fact women and children were let off the ship first. There were several stories about men dressing up as women so they could get off who were later discovered to be men. The class separation was true, but not totally. Third-class men actually survived at a higher rate than second-class men. Women and children made up a higher percentage of the first-class passengers than they did in lower classes. Third-class women survived at a higher rate than first-class men. So there was a class divide, but don’t kid yourselves, there was also a gender divide, and it was bigger than the class divide.
As for whether or not women would want the same equality as men, I doubt too many people would really choose to go down given the choice, man or woman. I can’t say I really blame women for taking this favor, as long as they don’t say men should go down because of their gender. Then we have a problem. I would love to say I would go down and save a spot for someone else, but I’m not really sure I could say that.
Children should definitely be saved, and at least one of their parents. Pregnant women should go too. The crew should go down with the ship unless everyone else, male or female, can get off too.
By the way, I heard an interesting phrase about feminism. "Feminism disappears when the lifeboats are lowered."
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a mix of history classes, standard knowledge, and Wikipedia
#15 by Pandora on November 3rd, 2009
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Whatever my chances; adults should prioritize the survival of children.
I don’t know whether, if it came down to me and a man, whether I’d take a seat or not. I hope (and believe) I’d have the courage and resolve to step back, especially if the man was younger or had a young family and so on.
FYI:
"Chivalry, Feminism and Barbarism
Tragically, Cameron’s film minimizes and ignores the incredible Christian courage and self-sacrifice of many men who went down with the Titanic. By focusing on a fictional, and far fetched, love relationship of a first class lady with a young artist in steerage, the film has sidelined the real heros of the Titanic. Even more seriously, the film failed to communicate what motivated so many men to give their lives so that others could live. For every woman who died on the Titanic, 13 men died.
In recent years the Titanic’s record as the worst peacetime, maritime disaster has been beaten–by a horrific ferry sinking in the Philippines in 1987. Over 4,000 people–mostly women and children–died in that disaster. Unlike the Titanic, most of the survivors of this Philippines disaster were men. Similarly, when the ferry Estonia sank in the Baltic sea most of the survivors were men. When questioned why they hadn’t helped the women and children to be saved, survivors were quoted as saying: "Hey, it’s survival of the fittest"; "It was every man for himself" and "If women want equality so much–they’ve got it!" Again, in 1996, a boat sank off the shores of Indonesia. Like the Titanic, the ship was inadequately equipped with lifeboats. Unlike the Titanic, the men received preferential lifeboat treatment ahead of women and children. Women died that men should live!
In fact, feminists and suffragettes of 1912 actually argued that the Titanic women were wrong to have accepted seats on the boats from the men. To them, the philosophy of men being protectors and defenders of women was offensive and an obstacle to their cause. "Boats or Votes?" was the title of one prominent newspaper article.
In an essay in the April 27, 1998 edition of Time, entitled "The Titanic Riddle", the writer asks the question: "Why women? . . . is not grouping women with children a raging anachronism? . . . patronizing and demeaning to women . . . ‘Women and children first’ attributes to women the same pitiable dependence and moral simplicity we find in five year olds . . . But in this day of the most extensive societal restructuring to grant women equality in education, in employment, in government, in athletics, in citizenship . . . what entitles women to the privileges–and reduces them to the status–of children?"
The disgrace of the stories there isn’t, in my mind, that women died – but that men barged their way and allowed children to die.
Although there was much heroism and decency amongst people, especially men, on the Titanic; there were times when men rushed the boats and were held at bay by firearms and gunshots.
I don’t think many of us can guarantee what our behaviour will be in that sort of situation; but I could be relied upon to put children first.
There are worse fates than dying.
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http://www.biblical-counsel.org/ga-01.htm
#16 by borat on November 3rd, 2009
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Feminists/women believe they are equal to men, only until the lifeboats are lowered.
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